Episode 2
S1;E2 Mark Bennett-Rock Star Lifestyle & Winning Spirit
With an illustrious career working alongside legendary musical acts such as Pink, Velvet Revolver, Marilyn Manson, Korn, Shinedown, Staind, Prince, Cher, Ne-Yo, Seether, Jonathan Davis, and Chris Janson, Mark Bennett brings a wealth of experience to the conversation. As our esteemed interviewee, he takes us on an exhilarating journey through his life story, revealing the untold tales of resilience, risk-taking, fear-conquering, and the pivotal moments that shaped his trajectory.
Join us as Mark candidly shares the challenges he faced while climbing the ranks in the music industry. With unwavering determination, he transformed adversity into opportunity, demonstrating how every setback can fuel innovation and personal growth. Through heartwarming anecdotes and gripping narratives, Mark illustrates the power of resilience in the face of adversity.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: Welcome to the mindful mutiny. Podcast I am Jeremy Van Wert, CEO therapist and high level coach on mindful mutiny. We thoughtfully rebel against anything that keeps people from obtaining their highest potential. I have an awesome guest with me to really kick off this podcast in a wonderful way. I have Mark Bennett with me. Mark Bennett has been
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::Jeremy Van Wert: in the background of many of your favorite bands throughout the last couple of decades. Somebody that you don't know but that you should know. No, no, mark Bennett started his career a really long time ago, just working at Guitar Center. He's a warehouse and operations manager department manager, sales and training manager. And out of that
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::Jeremy Van Wert: Mark started making relationships and building a whole career where he has gone all over the planet doing amazing things he has toured with and played integral roles with pink velvet revolver share. Prince stained Marilyn Manson, neo corn shine down sether.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: Jonathan Davis and Chris Jansen. He has been integral with the maypex sonar drums, a Us. Brand manager and artist relations manager, where essentially
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::Jeremy Van Wert: he is the person that these big name artists call, and he makes sure that they're taken care of on the road, that they get what they need, that they're able to say I'm in Milwaukee right now, and I'm missing this part and getting that part to them as fast as possible. You can only do that if you have the ability to make great relationships and figure things out quickly.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: Mark is a business owner for backseat, chop shop customize drums, drumheads, drum wrapping powder, coding, programming, electronics, playback tour and studio drum teching. He has done so many things in the world of entertainment and music more than we can even say in a short, bio here. So with this, this in inter bio that I've done here, Mark, thank you. So much for joining us on the
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::Jeremy Van Wert: the podcast here.
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::Mark Bennett: Good. Thank you very much. I'm honored to be here. And I'm excited about our conversation.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: Yeah, I think this is going to be really enlightening for people. Now. I have known Mark for a really long period of time. We do go way back. And so there's parts of Mark's story that I know really well, and other parts that I don't know. I know that, Mark. You have invited me to a number of the shows where you're sitting in the back of the drum set while there's a giant stadium full of people, and you're making sure that that drummer has everything that they need. But that's where the story is. In its middle.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: You grew up in a very different kind of environment. So where did you grow up, mark.
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::Mark Bennett: Originally from San Jose, California. I was actually born in Texas, but I was raised in San Jose, California.
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::Mark Bennett: and I got into music in fifth grade I went, was one of the only people that was accepted as a percussionist
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::Mark Bennett: as a fifth grader. Everyone else had to play different instruments before they went to drums, but for whatever reason they let me
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::Mark Bennett: play drums, and II went through the school program in middle school. Then I got the high school.
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::Mark Bennett: and that's when I got into marching band, and that's when I first met you, which was 95. I think it was.
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::Mark Bennett: You were just finished your first year with vanguard cadets, and you became my instructor. And that's when our relationship started, and we kind of grown from there. And and so for for people. Because this is not a marching band. Podcast the vanguard cadets are connected with a group out of Santa Clara, California, that it's like a professional marching band. But it's a youth program that's at a very high level. And I had been a part of it. And then you became a part of it. Yep, that's right, that's right. And then
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::Mark Bennett: getting moving through that program as
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::Mark Bennett: opened a lot of doors and created
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::Mark Bennett: or help develop a work that a work ethic. I think that was already inside of me. Just help kind of develop my character and my work ethic. And I've basically have applied
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::Mark Bennett: those skills and lessons that I've learned through that organization to everything I do in life now.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: So there was a period of time. Where now you you graduated from high school, and you went directly into working for a local guitar store and tell me a little bit about how all of that worked.
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::Mark Bennett: So when I was marching during the off season, you know, you would get a job and you'd work until the summertime, and then you'd quit your job and go. Do you know? Go on tour and compete around the Us.
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::Mark Bennett: And I did various different jobs. Whether it was, you know, a warehouse position at a electronics company, or worked at a lumber yard that my grandfather used to work at. My uncle's worked at and then one of the times I just signed up to go work at Guitar Center in San Jose.
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::Mark Bennett: I got a job in the warehouse and working for the Operations Department.
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::Mark Bennett: And that was.
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::Mark Bennett: it was cool. It was a cool job. I was learning a whole bunch of stuff because I only knew the merchant side of things. I didn't know anything else.
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::Mark Bennett: But unfortunately I got I got injured working in the warehouse. I sustained a pretty substantial back injury. And that ended my marching career.
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::Mark Bennett: That was this point. What's that? How old were you? I was?
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::Mark Bennett: I just turned 21, I believe. Okay. And for for those of you who don't know at 21 that is your final hurrah. In this activity you can do this activity until you were 21. Then there's a big ceremony, and you are no longer able to do it, so that 20 that year of 21 is a very important year for people in this marching activity, and at that time you would sustain an injury that stopped you from being able to do that.
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::Mark Bennett: It it pretty much stopped me from even just walking or standing up. There was no way in the world. I was carrying 50 pounds with the drums anymore and performing it was a very tough pill to swallow. It was
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::Mark Bennett: probably at the time, probably one of the lowest points I think, that I was in, and one of the most difficult
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::Mark Bennett: things to fight through, because not only was it a situation where, like, I had to learn how to tie my shoes and stand up and walk again.
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::Mark Bennett: But I could no longer participate in the thing that I'm working for for the past. What
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::Mark Bennett: 8, 9, 10 years.
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::Mark Bennett: and dedicated my life to, and so II got robbed of my my last hoorah
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::Mark Bennett: but little did I know that that injury would open up and give me a whole new opportunity.
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::Mark Bennett: And basically the career that I have today kind of came from that derailment, you know, when one door closes and another one opens.
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::Mark Bennett: And it. it's a a mantra that I tried to
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::Mark Bennett: keep as as I'm moving through life. And things happen. It's like, okay, I'm no longer doing this anymore. But there's gotta be something else that's coming. There's a good reason why this is happening. And I think that was one of the biggest
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::Mark Bennett: moments of my younger life where I've realized. and it took me took me several years to actually look back at it and go. Oh. that right! There was a pivotal moment where my live trajectory switched.
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::Mark Bennett: and I really wanted to go this way, but it pushed me a different direction, and I wasn't sure why, but it turned out to be
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::Mark Bennett: pretty incredible change.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: Yeah. So so you're working at Guitar Center now, and it has to feel in some way a little bit like a let down. Here I am. All of my friends are out doing this fun activity thing that I really care for. And you're working at Guitar Center. And what happened? Did you start meeting people in the industry?
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::Mark Bennett: Well, so
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::Mark Bennett: because I couldn't go back to work in the warehouse anymore. They moved me to sales. You're like, Oh, you play drums. You can go sell drums. I had no idea what I was doing. I never played drum set. In fact, I remember you trying to teach me drum set back when you know in high school, and it was just a train rank, and I just you know what this isn't for me. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm good. Let's just play some paredles and so
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::Mark Bennett: in. In fact, my department manager, once they moved me to sales was in my high school with me. He was a trombone player, Jeremy Grimes.
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::Mark Bennett: He was my department manager. Incredible drum set drummer. And so I remember him saying, All right. Well, do me a favor. We gotta put a new drum set out on the floor. So go ahead and set it up. And I'm like, Oh, okay, yeah, not a problem. I know drums, whatever. I may put one of the rack Toms on upside down. I did the bass room backwards, and he came over. He's like.
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::Mark Bennett: like, are you are you messing with me? And I'm like I don't know what's going on. And so I literally had to learn everything about drum set 2,000, and
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::Mark Bennett: I got hurt in December of O. 2. So this is 2,003 like March
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::Mark Bennett: roughly. And
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::Mark Bennett: it was a crash. Course of here's how you put a drum set together. Here's how you tune a drum set. When I was in the drum line I was responsible for tuning everything.
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::Mark Bennett: So now I had to learn how to tune drum sets, which is a whole other animal. But it's you know their skills that I picked up rather quickly. And and then, you know, you're playing with this stuff every single day, playing with the electronics. And now you have customers coming in. And next thing you know, you have a professional drummer coming in because they're on tour. They have a day off. They need something on my case.
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::Mark Bennett: Has somebody moved to the area, who just so happened to be Pink Strummer.
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::Mark Bennett: and I remember the first time he came into the shop I was working in the warehouse, and it was, you know. Oh, there's a famous person here. We would all come out and see who it is. and I remember seeing him the first time, and then I was in sales when he came back the second time.
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::Mark Bennett: and I was like, Oh, yeah, you're you're Mila's Johnson. You're the drummer for pink. You sign the drum head up on the wall, and he's like, Yeah, well, and so we ended up becoming friends.
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::Mark Bennett: And one thing led to another. You know I put a clinic on for him at the shop, cause I was running the drum shop at the time. Then we started doing some studio work, and he's gonna go do recording session. He liked the way I tuned, and I could set the drums up and everything. So it brought me to the studio.
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::Mark Bennett: which is probably my point. You'd realized how to actually set up a drum set. Oh, yeah, yeah, no. I've I figured all of that out like I was the expert at this time. You know, this is going 40 years. So but but yeah, so you brought me to the studio, which is my probably one of my favorite places to work.
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::Mark Bennett: and then that led to live shows and clinic tours. And then
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::Mark Bennett: you know, I had been climbing the ranks of Guitar Center. At that time I was a sales training manager. So, working with all the sales team and teaching them sales, tactics and merchandising. And just, you know, basically a high level supervisor underneath the store manager.
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::Mark Bennett: And then I moved to La and started working at the Hollywood guitar center and same thing. Climb the ranks there.
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::Mark Bennett: and I was
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::Mark Bennett: at corporate training to become the next door manager or the next door that opened up, and that was my trajectory. This is what I was working on. And then my phone rang out of the blue and it was my list, and he goes. Good news.
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::Mark Bennett: I get to pick my drumtack, and you're coming on tour with me.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: Oh, my gosh! And how old are you? At this point
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::Mark Bennett: 25, maybe.
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::Mark Bennett: Yeah, there's only one answer to that, and that's hell. Yeah, it was no.
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::Mark Bennett: yeah, no, II don't know if I told you this. Yeah, no, I told him. No, I said, no.
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::Mark Bennett: I want to become a store manager. We had multiple phone conversations. This wasn't one phone call. I was like, No, I'm I'm training to be like, I'm doing this corporate thing. And I'm gonna run my own store. Oh, dude! And it was basically back and forth. If I don't think you heard me, you're gonna come on. You're my drum tech. You're coming on tour with me with Pink.
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::Mark Bennett: And I was like, Yeah, no, I'm I'm good. I'm doing this other thing. And we went back and forth several conversations.
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::Mark Bennett: And then we started talking about money, and I was like, Oh, oh, yeah, okay, this is a whole different thing. Maybe we should go and investigate this but you know, at the time
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::Mark Bennett: my store manager and district manager. The Hollywood store is so big it has its own district manager in House 2 store managers, multiple sales training managers underneath them. I mean, it's a massive, massive facility.
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::Mark Bennett: And so a a few of the people, including my district manager. My district manager, was the front of house engineer for the cars.
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::Mark Bennett: And so he had substantial touring experience. And we had multiple, really long conversations about this, because this is going to be a huge thing like, if I turn down this
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::Mark Bennett: opportunity to be a store manager, probably not going to be welcome back to the company anymore, because they've invested a lot of time and energy into me.
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::Mark Bennett: and I remember him saying.
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::Mark Bennett: you know.
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::Mark Bennett: would I go back and do it now? Absolutely not. I'll never go back to Tauren again, would I, if I had an opportunity to go back to the beginning and tour all over again? Yes, absolutely
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::Mark Bennett: 1,000% now. No.
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::Mark Bennett: And I fully understand today exactly where he's coming from. Hey? I got a question for you in the midst of all of this, because there's a hook that I'm missing in here.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: and the the hook is. There was something about you, Mark. There was something about you that was really really interesting and attractive to this guy. He didn't just offer a job to you. He stayed on with you. He wanted your energy, your ambition, your whatever it was that you offered. You probably have more insight into what that is. Now. What was that?
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::Mark Bennett: you know there's the professionalism aspect of it. There's the knowledge and execution aspect of it. But I I've really put a lot of thought into what my role is. As a drum tech.
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::Mark Bennett: Ii often refer to it a lot as being a golf caddy.
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::Mark Bennett: Right? What my mantra is as a drum tech is. It's it's my responsibility to create an environment that inspires the artist to take his performance to a level that he didn't know was obtainable.
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::Mark Bennett: That's my job.
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::Mark Bennett: My job is to have the drums look. sound, feel away that when they get up on that drum riser, despite anything that's going on in the background of their lives
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::Mark Bennett: for that day, whatever it is, they sit down.
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::Mark Bennett: Everything is perfect, it feels perfect. They hit whatever drum it is, and it's the best sounding
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::Mark Bennett: that they've ever hit.
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::Mark Bennett: and I sit behind him, and it's my job to keep them focused
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::Mark Bennett: on having the best performance of their life.
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::Mark Bennett: Not that, you know.
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::Mark Bennett: When I see something start to get loose and wiggle. I try to fix the problems before they. you know. Notice it, you know. I listen to what they listen to, and if something sounds like the guitar is too loud today.
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::Mark Bennett: I'm making those adjustments before they notice it. because I want them to stay here right? I don't want them to get distracted with anything else, because
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::Mark Bennett: some kid, some parents, somebody.
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::Mark Bennett: saved up a lot of money and drove several hours.
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::Mark Bennett: and I've been looking forward to this day for a very long time to see their favorite artists play.
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::Mark Bennett: and they deserve the absolute best.
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::Mark Bennett: And so it's my job to help make sure that the artist is able to give them their absolute best.
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::Mark Bennett: And that's how I've approached this job for such a long time. you know. so I think I think a lot of
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::Mark Bennett: my relationship with him was that level of professionalism and excellence
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::Mark Bennett: an execution. and those are some of the lessons
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::Mark Bennett: that were cultivated. From the Santa Clara Vanguard.
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::Mark Bennett: you know, always being your best
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::Mark Bennett: every single day, despite the conditions, the environment, whatever's going on giving 110, not only for you, but the pro people you're performing with next to you.
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::Mark Bennett: and always striving for excellence, because
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::Mark Bennett: one day somebody's gonna take a picture, and that picture is gonna last forever. What do you want that picture to look like
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::Mark Bennett: figured, you know, when we put our drums down on the field? Are they all stacked nice, and even in uniform and perfect? Or are they just thrown all over the place?
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::Jeremy Van Wert: The excellence it was the. It was the attention to detail and the excellence. And and so you're you're in the midst of making this decision
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::Jeremy Van Wert: about going on tour with Pink, and you know what eventually clicked you in? And what was that transition like in your life?
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::Mark Bennett: The the final, this, the final factor, was the money. When we actually started talking about money, because it's it's working at a retail store and being on tour. 2 different payrolls. And I was like, All right. Well, that wins
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::Mark Bennett: easy enough. Let's go. But it was terrifying. It was absolutely terrifying, because, although I knew everything that goes on with a drum set within
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::Mark Bennett: that drum riser right?
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::Mark Bennett: And I knew the microphone plugs on to the drum, and the cable goes.
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::and that was the end of it, like, I just set the drums up, and I could tune the shit out of them
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::Mark Bennett: the end
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::Mark Bennett: and so it was. It was like, you know, a step into a world that I really had no business being in
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::Mark Bennett: cause, I literally knew nothing. Thankfully the guitar tech that we had on tour, who's still one of my closest friends. His name's Tony Hanniman. He lives out in the Gold Coast, Australia.
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::Mark Bennett: That man
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::Mark Bennett: took all the time with me and taught me everything from. Here's how you wind a cable. Here's how you pack a semi truck to, you know. Here's how you deal with a hangover on the next day, when it's 110 degrees. But no, he's he's literally my best friend, and he's the reason why I was able to get through that and become
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::Mark Bennett: the professional that I am today in this industry.
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::Mark Bennett: He! He taught me so many, many things that just made me better, because, like I said, I could tune the drums. I could set the drums up, they'd be the same every single day. But everything after that. No clue. How do the risers lock together. How do you stack a semi-truck? How do you know? How do you
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::Mark Bennett: like? I remember the first time I did when we did the Arena tour thing, because when I first started working with there, we were doing like House of blues, clubs and theaters, all small venues. It was a very small production.
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::Mark Bennett: Then I remember, you know, we went over to Europe and we jumped into arenas.
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::Mark Bennett: and I was like, What's an arena tour like like, How like, what are we doing now, you know, because everything was new every time we leveled up
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::Mark Bennett: stuff I've never seen before. Stuff I've never interacted before. It's like, hey, we have a lighting package now, and we're carrying a semi truck worth of speakers.
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::Mark Bennett: How do the speakers go up? Where does the like? What do you mean lighting? And you know he literally held my hand through the beginning of my career and helped me put help. Put me on a trajectory for success.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: Well, you you learned, you learned many, many different things that are just the kind of have to know and the environmental things. I remember that one. At 1 point I came and spent a day with you when you were on tour with corn.
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::Mark Bennett: and you set the drum set up in the middle of the room, and there were lighting people that were setting up the lights over the stage. And II asked him like, Well, why don't we take the drum set and just put it on the stage. Now, like, like I knew anything right.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: And you said, No, it's it's incredibly dangerous up there. You don't. You don't wanna put anything up there right now until that lighting package is solid, and the moment you said that there was a person who dropped a chain from the ceiling accidentally, and you heard the whole thing go boom all the way to the ground, and you just point. And you said. That's why we're not up there.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: And so you you you you have! You have the you you had to learn the knowledge and the dangers and everything like that. I know that you've been physically injured on the job, and and pretty seriously, actually. And we we can get to that. But so you're you're now on tour with Pink.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: and you're learning everything. How long? Until it was not terrifying.
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::Mark Bennett: Every day is terrifying like II I just took like a 5 year break. I had a little girl and II took some time off the road to be with her. And, you know, solidify
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::Mark Bennett: our family dynamic and my relationship with her. I wanted to be there with her and be her dad. I want her to know who I am and everything like that. Now, if she's 5 and a half going on 6, I'm I'm comfortable
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::Mark Bennett: being able to interact with her on facetime. And you know, hey? We're gonna do some school work now, and I can do this on facetime. I didn't want to do the beginning. Here's via facetime when she's just a loaf of bread sitting there staring, drooling back at me. I just
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::Mark Bennett: it broke my heart trying to do that. So
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::Mark Bennett: You know, I did take a little time off, and coming back to the road again.
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::Mark Bennett: I'd be lying to you if I didn't say I was absolutely petrified.
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::Mark Bennett: Remember showing up. I mean, I I'm on a 10 day break right now. We just finished. I think it's 4 and a half 5 week run so far I'm out with stained at the moment staying got smack are on tour together. I'm working for staying, doing drums and playback.
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::Mark Bennett: and I was petrified. I was honestly leading up to it being my anxiety was through the roof. Nerves that are all time high, and I just had to keep reminding myself that
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::Mark Bennett: I'm gonna be okay. This is gonna be okay. Everything's gonna be fine. You know. This is like, you got this. And man, I was that first show I was shooting myself. Oh, yeah, and you you you read every every word of the training manual for this, didn't you?
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::Mark Bennett: Oh, yeah. So I had to learn new software. So like II literally had it like, start from scratch like, alright cool. I'm learning an entirely new playback program that I've never touched before.
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::Mark Bennett: So the nerves were high on making that happen, because they, you know, synced together all of our video and lighting and everything like that, and so like it has to work, and if it doesn't work, I have to be able to fix it. So, you know, I had to dive in and learn a whole new program thankfully, I've worked with this drummer before, and he and I have a really good rapport.
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::Mark Bennett: He is also a past drum tech turn drummer, which is incredible. He's got an incredible story himself. but he's the nicest guy. And and I was actually his artist relations manager when I was at Maypex.
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::Mark Bennett: So you know, we we had a really good connection. And it was. It's nice to get back to work with him. But yeah, no. My nerves and anxiety were through the roof leading up to that first show. And and
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::Mark Bennett: II
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::Mark Bennett: probably every show up. I have nerve and anxiety at every show. That's never oh, yeah, this is gonna be like, no, they're they're always there. But I think that's a good thing, I think, for me.
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::Mark Bennett: It's just like, Hey, I start thinking about all the things that can go wrong and like, oh, okay, you know, I've had the symbol fall off. And I've had that this break, and that's broken before. And okay, where's my screen? I start going through all my checklist of everything that could possibly go wrong.
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::Mark Bennett: And what is my backup plan for that situation?
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::Mark Bennett: And so I feel like I'm always prepared for an incident. and if something does happen, I'm able to mitigate it as quickly as possible. So the show keeps moving and keep that hardest focus on what he needs to do.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: So there's an old trope about the rock and roll lifestyle and everything like that. And it's been really hyped up by television. And in the early days and stuff like that, and a lot of that stuff was very real.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: Can you talk a little bit about how
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::Jeremy Van Wert: you have seen people be very successful, and people not be very successful, based upon their habits, their ideas, their the way they conduct themselves on the road, the things that are preferable, the things that are not preferable. What? What are those characteristics? What's it really like on a professional rock band tour?
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::Mark Bennett: well, I'll be honest, everyone's like, Oh, backstage party. Blah! Blah! This is what backstage looks like.
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::Mark Bennett: That's literally it. It's just it's
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::Mark Bennett: it's not a wild and crazy and out of control. You know, it's just
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::Mark Bennett: just people on the road for those for those who are listening and not watching. He was just on his phone typing. So it's a bunch of people on on their phones typing backstage
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::Mark Bennett: pretty much. But you know, the the workdays are very long
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::Mark Bennett: the work. Conditions are often not very favorable. You know, we started this tour in the South. It's an outdoor tour. and every day has been 90% humidity. At 96 98 degrees.
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::Mark Bennett: and you know you're drinking water as quickly as you can, and it's coming right out of you just as fast.
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::Mark Bennett: So you know, it's really really hot days. It's you know, hey? That's snowing outside. It's minus 46. And we gotta go back to semi-truck.
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::Mark Bennett: It's long flights straight into you know, 3 in a row of, you know, 3 really hard days with very little sleep.
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::Mark Bennett: You know it's It's it's hard, it's demanding. It's it's a very high level of execution that's required from everybody.
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::Mark Bennett: And then
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::it's about being able to live
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::Mark Bennett: with the rest of the crew. And coexist with everybody else, despite
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::Mark Bennett: upbringings, background, religious beliefs, spiritual beliefs, political beliefs.
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::Mark Bennett: You know, we're 12 people on a bus.
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::Mark Bennett: and we sleep right next to each other in our bunks.
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::Mark Bennett: and we wake up in the morning, and you're still on that bus, and then you get out, and there's the stage. Go unload a truck and set to show up cause we're gonna do this.
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::Mark Bennett: So you know, people look at the 1 h performance and the professionalism necessary to execute that 1 h performance, but in reality it's the other 23 h
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::Mark Bennett: that determine whether or not you are hireable. Right? They will take somebody who can get along better with everybody else who might not be as good as their job.
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::Mark Bennett: But they can coexist
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::Mark Bennett: over somebody who's really good, but they're a dickhead.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: Well, sure, sure. And and I was. I've been really impressed the handful of times that I've come to visit you at one of your shows. I saw a corn a couple of times and shine down. May, perhaps a few other ones, but the artists themselves. What, gentlemen, what professional people they are, and the backstage scene was very much of.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: It was. It was professional. People were kind, super humble.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: all of them, and it was. It was really it was really neat to see the actual backstage thing, because it is. It is a workplace, and it's a high performance workplace. And you specifically were selected
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::Jeremy Van Wert: as somebody who is a perfect fit for this sort of thing and this this pink gig. It ended up getting you referrals to go to all of these other artists, and do a version of the same thing
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::Jeremy Van Wert: behind the biggest names in the world. And so you do a great job with with pink. and then your name starts getting shared as somebody in the industry. That is the the to go pur, the go to person.
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::Mark Bennett: It's it's a very small world. It's there. Everybody knows everybody, and it's a very small world. And you know, people want somebody who's reliable and dependable.
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::Mark Bennett: and your name starts getting shared around him, looking for somebody I know Mark just got off a tour, or, Hey, this person's looking for work, or whatever the case may be
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::Mark Bennett: it's it's a small world, and and we all kind of look after each other and help each other out. And for people like
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::Mark Bennett: and so we get to work together again, which is great. But it's literally, you know.
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::Mark Bennett: that's. you know, could be a reference from anybody in the tour that gets somebody a job. III love this because of how much that I've known you. You you grew up in San Jose.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: You, you graduate from high school, and your your next vocation is to find a job. Any job. That's that's what the mindset was on your street. You get, you get out of high school, you go to work.
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::Mark Bennett: In order for me to even just pay my member fees. You know I first you have to have the talent, then you have to have the money. and my family worked really hard to make sure that opportunity was there. But college was never
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::Jeremy Van Wert: a pathway that I saw myself going down because I just had no clue. Well, you you made such a beautiful life for yourself here, because so you do what's expected of what was around you. You go to work, and when this opportunity came knocking at your door with pink
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::Jeremy Van Wert: and then you had more than one tie to break from the life that you had before, and there were many things like this that were really gut wrenching for you. I remember you going through that, and it was
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::Jeremy Van Wert: And I know that that for you with all of the kind of dramatic turns, and so forth, that you've taken a in your career. And you've gone from like this band. And this situation, working for this company and then working for this band.
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::Mark Bennett: II heard something interesting the other day, and and we kind of briefly talked about it. But like the discussion of, Is the world flat, or is the world round? It's whatever you want it to be. and you can prove either
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::Mark Bennett: I know that like when I was on tour with Pink, we did a lot of arenas.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: you probably I'm assuming now have come to a point where your foundational values are very well known to you, and that decisions for your future. Not only do you have a solid guide for how it is that you make decisions about your career and your life and these sorts of things, but
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::Mark Bennett: that I never felt that I would be completely honest, I'm not saying it's a good thing, by any means. But I was. I was really confident, arrogant of what I was doing.
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::Mark Bennett: whether I was actually good at what I was doing, or I was convincing myself. Cause a lot of it is, you know, you create the reality you want. I am the fucking best at what I do.
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::Mark Bennett: I am the best now. I do know there's better out there 100, but I try to be the best every single day when I show up, and I but I believe that I am one of the best out there.
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::Mark Bennett: And I never felt the imposter syndrome until much later. and especially trying to come back to it like, am I even good enough like III stopped touring for a short while I was working for a big tech company out of Palo Alto.
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::Mark Bennett: and I wasn't in the right place. I was faking it all the way through.
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::Mark Bennett: I had a great career there. I was making incredible money there.
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::Mark Bennett: I just I was faking it, and I wasn't. I was. I'm with these people who were, you know, some of the world's best programmers programming, doing stuff for the military and high government, you know, agencies and law enforcement and bank corporations. And like.
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::Mark Bennett: here I am like I have no idea how why I'm here right now, but now I do. Now I understand what that was for.
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::Mark Bennett: but I mean, I had some serious, imposure syndromes there when I would show it to work.
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::Mark Bennett: And then II had to to step out of that environment. And I went back out on tour again.
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::Mark Bennett: you know.
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::Mark Bennett: even when I when I started working at Jhs America, working for maypex and sonar drums step it in into a marketing department. I
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::Mark Bennett: terrified. Why, what am I doing here? Like what
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::Mark Bennett: you know? I'm looking at all these people in suits, and you know, dress clothes and stuff like that, and I wear shorts and T-shirts every day, you know, and II remember, like not having a lot of money
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::Mark Bennett: and going to my wife going like I need to buy some dress shoes
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::Mark Bennett: like, because I'm moving to this corporate thing.
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::Mark Bennett: and I'm making this move for our family, because I got a little loaf of bread now that you know needs me here every day. So we spent the last little bit of money. So I'd ask you. So I could blend in and be one of us, Google Gobble, Google Gobble, you know, and and try to fit in, and and that environment only to realize that
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::Mark Bennett: I had what it took to be there and be successful in it.
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::Mark Bennett: But it took me a while to build that confidence in myself in that place, to feel comfortable
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::Mark Bennett: and successful and and lose that imposter syndrome.
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::Mark Bennett: But yeah, no, II I do
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::Mark Bennett: feel feel confident.
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::Mark Bennett: And I and it's it's only those those times when I'm not on the stage and corporate settings. Where
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::Mark Bennett: am I actually supposed to be doing this right now, am I? Where, like I?
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::Mark Bennett: You know, I talked myself into this position. Now I have to do it. What am I doing those times? I felt like an imposter on the stage with these artists and stuff like that. I
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::Mark Bennett: I'm in my skin. I'm where I'm supposed to be.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: What are some of the high points that you recall working with these various different bands, the the things that were the most meaningful, the things that
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::Jeremy Van Wert: maybe some specific instances that happened that really made you in awe of what it was that you were doing with your life.
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::Mark Bennett: Music to me is the universal language.
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::Mark Bennett: and I and I have seen that time and time and time again.
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::Mark Bennett: Whether I was in Russia. South Africa. Japan.
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::Mark Bennett: I've been to some absolutely incredible places.
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::Mark Bennett: and despite language barriers.
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::Mark Bennett: financial gaps, whatever it is. music has been the one thing that I have seen over and over and over again.
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::Mark Bennett: that can unite society.
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::Mark Bennett: And one of the reasons I continue to do this is, I really truly believe, in the importance of that. and the importance of the music, whether it's for healing, whether it's, you know, somebody else has that same scar. And this song is the thing that helps them.
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::Mark Bennett: You know, shine down. Did an incredible album. Attention! Attention! Where they addressed
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::Mark Bennett: Mental mental health! And it's it's a beautiful album from beginning to end. It's one consecutive story. Every song is part of this one story.
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::Mark Bennett: and they addressed stuff like that. And I've seen people in the front row completely breakdown and lose it. Because of their struggles that they're going through. But it's very therapeutic
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::Mark Bennett: and I remember sometimes with pink She? She had a particular song.
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::Mark Bennett: that that really helped unite and make people think
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::Mark Bennett: and and look at political situations.
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::Mark Bennett: And like Hey, it's not a red verse blue. It's like we are all humans here. like, let's have a real sit down. Talk as humans
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::Mark Bennett: right like. If this was your kid, would you be sending them to war? You're okay sending my kid to war. But would you send your kid to war? Let's sit down, person to person, not president, citizen.
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::Mark Bennett: not, you know
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::Mark Bennett: Russian versus America.
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::Mark Bennett: Like, let's let's be people.
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::Mark Bennett: and there's some like countless times where I've seen music be music unite
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::Mark Bennett: music help be therapeutic.
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::Mark Bennett: Ii truly believe in in
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::Mark Bennett: you know that, and and tried to like cause. That's why I said.
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::Mark Bennett: I try to make sure that the performer is able to give a hundred 10%
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::Mark Bennett: right? Because it it. It matters. It matters more than just the money and the 2 h drive and the, you know, 3 month wait since they bought the tickets and and all of that stuff. It matters on on a mental and physical and spiritual level as well.
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::Mark Bennett: you know, cause it. It is that important. I remember being on tour being addressed or approached
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::Mark Bennett: in shopping malls. It's like, Hey, we have a day off and
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::Mark Bennett: Cincinnati today, like, all right, there's a shopping mall across the street, because we're actually in the suburb of Cincinnati. And so it's like, well, let's kill 6 h walking up and down the Mall, and then there'd be military recruiters in there who come up and you know. Hey? Join the military blah! Blah! Blah! It's like.
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::Mark Bennett: you know the the line was, oh, you get to see the world, and I'm like
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::Mark Bennett: II have so much love and respect and appreciation for our military or for our veterans. I come from a long live long line of of military marines, army navy, my grandfather, my father.
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::Mark Bennett: aunts and uncles. My my grandmother, like so many people in my family, have served. I was like kind of stopped at me. but they always use the line you get to travel the world, see everything, and I'm like I.
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::Mark Bennett: I do get to travel the world. But the difference is, I'm I'm uniting and and bonding with these people through music
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::Mark Bennett: as opposed to a pressing and and defending or protecting with bullets.
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::Mark Bennett: And II just you know, I felt like my mission was more important on the music side of things.
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::Mark Bennett: to to help unite and fix. And and yeah, you're a bringer. You're a bringer of peace. You support
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::Jeremy Van Wert: messages of hope and peace and celebration and unity
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::Jeremy Van Wert: with what you do and how you support these musicians who are bringing this. And I think it's really incredible. I'm just trying to visualize it in my head from the vantage point of the stage. You can really see those people out there. You can really see their reactions. You can see what they're doing. You can see their their emotional displays and everything like that. That's something that's very easily visible from up there.
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::Mark Bennett: You get to see like the first 5 rows or so. Then you you lose it in the lights.
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::Mark Bennett: you know whether you're playing a theater or a stadium. It's only those first handful of rows that you get to see. But yeah, you see it. You see it there. You'll see the signs people bring to concerts and hold up.
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::Mark Bennett: The people that you meet after the show the people you meet on a day off at the restaurant. you know, it's really funny. Just a couple of days ago I was in Pittsburgh.
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::Mark Bennett: and we went to go see the Mister Rogers statue, which is right next to Hinds Field, right on the river. We went to the museum first, and we went to go see the statue.
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::Mark Bennett: and I saw a lady walk by. She's wearing a pink t-shirt, I was like, oh, that's that's awesome. That's so so cool to see. And so I just said, Hey, I love your shirt. and she turns around she goes. Oh, thanks so much! We're so excited to see her, you know we traveled from blah blah blah blah, and we can't wait to see her, and I'm like.
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::Mark Bennett: what do you mean? She's like, oh, they're playing tomorrow, right here at the baseball stadium.
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::Mark Bennett: and I was right next to the stadium. And so you know, I ended up, walking over and and connecting with some of the crew guys that I've toured with with pink and other bands. And ended up, you know, catching up with the guitar player and stuff like that. But
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::Mark Bennett: you, you never know when you're gonna run into somebody a fan somewhere and everyone has a different story of that, their connection to the music.
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::Mark Bennett: And you know
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::Mark Bennett: whether it's their favorite band the first time seeing it. Their one hundredth concert
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::Mark Bennett: there, you know this is my dad's favorite song, and he died this year, and I miss him.
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::Mark Bennett: Wh. Whatever it is, like you here, and get to to witness all of these stories
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::Mark Bennett: every day on the road.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: So through this career, you've had
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::Jeremy Van Wert: relationships with different bands, different artists, different tours, and these sorts of things.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: doors, open, doors close. And right now you're starting to build your own business. Can you talk about
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::Jeremy Van Wert: specifically? You walked away from one thing into
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::Jeremy Van Wert: being self employed and setting up your own company. Was it scary? Is it scary? Where are you at with all of this?
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::Mark Bennett: Well,
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::Mark Bennett: it was kind of happened on accident. It goes back to when I was touring with shine down. I do these
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::Mark Bennett: you know custom drum heads.
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::Mark Bennett: you know, we'd figure something out. And
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::Mark Bennett: we really wanna Perl, actually, it started with ink. I actually have the the drum head where it all started.
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::Mark Bennett: Gretch.
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::Mark Bennett: Gretch would have their logo, and it was just like a big clear sticker with the word Gretch on it. and when you stick it on a drum head. It looks terrible.
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::Mark Bennett: And then it's like, Okay, well, how can I do this? Better cause I hate the way it looks right?
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::Mark Bennett: And so I started talking to a friend who owns a a sign shop, and they cut Vinyl.
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::Mark Bennett: and so they would just make me the Gretch logo. But out of vinyl. So it was just the letters, and then that evolved into alright. Can we color match this logo to match the artwork?
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::Mark Bennett: And
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::Mark Bennett: that's how it all started. So I have, like, you know, a shined down drum head where it was a red sparkle, pearl logo, not the standard white lobe.
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::Mark Bennett: and we just kind of evolved. And so it started with that. And then.
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::Mark Bennett: you know, when I was working with Barry from shine down, it's like, let's do a different color, Kit, for this. Let's change this. Let's change that, and we would, you know, take a drum set back to Pearl and have them recover it. Well, we got to a point where it's like he wanted to do an all white drum set.
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::Mark Bennett: And actually, before we got to go away. We we wanted to do something different. So I was like, Hey, guys.
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::Mark Bennett: can we do this? They said, No, I'm like, but you can. Okay, fine. How about this? You have this right here. Can we do this over here like? No, no, we don't have the bandwidth. We're doing so many things right now. No, I'm like, Well, dude, this really sucks.
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::Mark Bennett: And then it was like, All right. Well, you guys have powder coating in house. Can we powder coat, the kit.
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::Mark Bennett: and they're like, no, no, no, we're not. We're only powder coat, such and such pro product, and we only do black.
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::Mark Bennett: but I'm like, but you can, you won't.
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::Mark Bennett: So then I was like, you know what I'm gonna do? I'll figure out how to do it. And so we decided to go with this all white drums. It was white, and like a nickel sparkle. and so I literally broke down every nut and bolt and whatever. And there's a powder coat company out of San Jose, California, Rc. Finishing
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::Mark Bennett: that I've worked with who are like on the cutting edge of all of that sort of stuff, and I was like, Hey, look, this is what I want to do. Blah blah blah! And they knocked it out.
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::Mark Bennett: and it's like, All right cool. And now let me do let me customize this thing, this thing. I'll make one of these and all Co. Whatever, and turn it into this whole thing, and it's like, Look, it's doable you just
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::Mark Bennett: they're not gonna do it. So I should do it.
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::Mark Bennett: And then when I became the I started working from apex and sonar. I was a Us. Artist relations manager. Now, these tours, these artistic people, and or the artists themselves who hire the band. These aren't band members like guns, noses where it's, you know, slash and duff and axle. Now it's here's a Pop star who is hired a band, and I want everything to look like this.
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::Mark Bennett: And so they come back to the artist relations manager going, hey? I need this like, I have to have it otherwise. I'm getting fired.
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::Mark Bennett: and the company goes. Sorry we don't do that.
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::Mark Bennett: and I got so sick and tired of of that response as a drum tech of going going, hey? Alright! Well, here's your 3 options, black, white, or blue. you know we want pink. Sorry we don't do pink, black, light, or blue.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: Is is this a function of
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::Jeremy Van Wert: giant corporations being too large to do custom jobs and that sort of thing?
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::Mark Bennett: I can't speak for every company. Sometimes it's just, you know, hey? The production is overseas and or the lead time is 12 months. or we don't have the bandwidth, or I mean, there's so many variables.
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::Mark Bennett: So I started finding workarounds. and I was like, All right. I'll tell you what I'm taking off my corporate hat right now and putting on the dude who lives over here in Springhill, Tennessee.
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::Mark Bennett: I can do it for you. And so I started doing stuff for the artists. I want pink hardware, alright cool. Oh.
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::Mark Bennett: as your artist relations manager, here's the gear that you need, and then switch hats alright. I'm gonna pick up this gear and take it, and then execute this for you. You have to pay everybody, but I'll make it happen.
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::Mark Bennett: And one thing led to another thing led to another thing, I'm doing stuff for John. Legend. I'm doing stuff for with Kalifa. I'm doing stuff for Chris Jansen. And
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::Mark Bennett: you know, powder coding stuff and doing custom drum heads that match the pattern on the drums, or you know, I just recently did while I was there. Circus delay has a new show out in New York, New York, called Matt Apple.
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::Mark Bennett: and they wanted a hot pink drumline and a hot pink drum set to match it.
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::Mark Bennett: So I found a way to make everything hot pink, and they wanted words on every single drum of the main drum set. So I figured out how to make that happen for them. and was able to deliver a product that the company wasn't able to execute, due to their bandwidth, restrictions, and abilities to do something
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::Mark Bennett: in a very short period of time. and
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::Mark Bennett: I was like, you know, what I should just do this
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::Mark Bennett: like I, I'm just going to do this. And I. So I started my company backbeat, chop shop and
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::Mark Bennett: That's what I'm doing now. So everything, from custom, drum heads to power, coding drums to
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::Mark Bennett: you know, if you electronic programming like anything music based like, I just finished
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::Mark Bennett: working with beyonce's production. And I made Beyonce's drum set all chrome, because everything on her stage right now is chrome.
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::Mark Bennett: and the drum company didn't offer chrome, and we had a very short time window to execute this I literally had 36 h
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::Mark Bennett: from the second I had the drums in my hand to one I had to ship them.
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::Mark Bennett: and so we turned her entire drum set. Chrome got it overnighted out to France for rehearsal. So wow, yeah, it's it's
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::Mark Bennett: It's was terrifying to to get everything set up and and to actually walk away from the job I was doing at the time. I was working for an AV company.
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::Mark Bennett: and I was like, you know what I'm gonna bet on myself. I was sick to my stomach.
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::Mark Bennett: Petrified. I'm still shitting myself every day.
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::Mark Bennett: But I've been able to like, even while I'm away on tour, still make custom drum heads for people and execute stuff in the background.
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::Mark Bennett: So it's it's
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::Mark Bennett: been a lot of fun, but it's absolutely terrifying.
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::Mark Bennett: But I love working for myself. I love being my boss. I love waking up and doing what I want to do. and
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::Mark Bennett: than accomplishing the things that people say they can't. Do.
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::Mark Bennett: you know, and I love seeing
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::Mark Bennett: I love seeing the the artist when like they get it like
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::Mark Bennett: this is exactly what I wanted. In fact, like
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::Mark Bennett: this drum key, right? Here was one of the first really cool things I did. I had an artist.
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::Mark Bennett: who got a sneaker. He had a custom high top.
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::Mark Bennett: and I was like, man. I got a really cool idea. I got these drum sets that nobody wants particular color. Why don't we make a matching drum kit
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::Mark Bennett: to your shoe.
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::Mark Bennett: and we'll do even a matching drum key with it. So we did this whole campaign, and I remember when the artist showed up he was like, Wow, like, this is way more than I could ever conceptualize.
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::Mark Bennett: And and again, like with with this one. We did a, you know, for every custom drum kit. I do a custom drum key to match it, so I save all the different drum keys.
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::Mark Bennett: But you know it's so awesome to to see somebody who was just like they like. Yes.
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::Mark Bennett: this right here, and then they take it up on stage, and they play with a different level of execution because of what they're sitting behind makes them feel a certain way
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::Jeremy Van Wert: your trajectory in life, where you have gone.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: you have taken so many things and just put them at the next level. It was many years ago that I was speaking with you, and you were talking about making drum sets that were literal pieces of art that people would pay $60,000 to have in their living room, and not even play them, because somebody would say I wanted. I don't know a drum set that looks like a dragon or or something like this, and
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::Jeremy Van Wert: it's yours to kind of figure out how to do that. And it's it's it's relatively something that you've done a lot of with these big name artists. I know that I've and I've come and visited you.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: The drum set is on a riser. It has fasteners and things on it that I, as a lifelong drummer, have never seen. And I go. What is this? Where do you get this? And you say I made this? I did this I invented this. This whole thing is me. So you
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::Jeremy Van Wert: take
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::Jeremy Van Wert: things and you just launch them, and you make them happen. And you've been so tremendously successful
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::Jeremy Van Wert: endeavor, after endeavor, after endeavor. What is it for what you? What you've seen in
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::Jeremy Van Wert: from big 25 to now? 45, that you have taken things and gone. I think I'm gonna try this, and then you launch it and you go with it, and it becomes successful.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: What is that key of energy, of expertise, of excellence that you put into things that consistently spells overall success in these things.
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::Mark Bennett: I think
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::Mark Bennett: I got so sick and tired of the word. No, we can't do something.
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::Mark Bennett: I
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::Mark Bennett: I'm gonna go back to again, Drumcore, and marching again.
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::Mark Bennett: And you know we can't do this move.
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::Mark Bennett: You're going to do this move. You're gonna run across this field carrying these 50 pounds worth of drums, and you will get to your spot.
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::Mark Bennett: You just haven't figured out how to do it yet. But you will. You're gonna do it
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::Mark Bennett: some hell or high water, because this is what's required.
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::Mark Bennett: and I hate when people just say no, I feel like that's the easy way out. like, yes, you can do anything if you have
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::Mark Bennett: the time, energy resources, the want to. You can do anything, and I got so sick and tired of of like. Hey, let's try this. No.
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::Mark Bennett: but why not?
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::Mark Bennett: But why. there's like you just don't want to
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::Mark Bennett: like you can do this. You can't come up with things. You can create product X to do this. You just don't want to
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::Mark Bennett: or you don't want to put the time and effort in, or does it meet your marketing initiative? So you're like, whatever it is. I'm like, you know what I don't need you to do it.
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::Mark Bennett: I can do it like I want to machine something. Hey, look, there's a machine shop. Hey? Can you make this for me? Awesome. Here you go.
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::Mark Bennett: hey? I want to pattern something. Well, how do you do that? Well, there's a powder code company over here. Let me figure it out. And then, okay, well, what tools do you use? So now I can do it myself.
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::Mark Bennett: You know, there's so much information available to the world
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::Mark Bennett: right here on your phone.
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::Mark Bennett: on your computer. You can learn to do anything. You can accomplish anything. You just gotta fucking. Try.
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::Mark Bennett: You just have to want to do it. And I got so sick and tired of knows
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::Mark Bennett: and like, you know what, I'm just gonna do it myself. I'll figure it out. I don't know how I'm gonna do it. But I'm gonna figure it out. And or I'm gonna find the person who knows everything about this. And I'm gonna work with them to make the thing that I need
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::Mark Bennett: to do. X, whether it's be, you know, write software. make me a website create a piece of hardware. Whatever it is, like somebody out there can do it.
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::Mark Bennett: I'm not gonna just sit here and say, Oh, yeah, that's a cool idea. But no, I'm not gonna do it. Now I'm gonna figure out how to do it.
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::Mark Bennett: And I've I've always, I mean from the beginning.
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::Mark Bennett: like, go set up a drum set. I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm gonna figure it out. you know, and away we go from there. So it's it's I. Just
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::Mark Bennett: II feel like it's such a cop out in life.
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::Mark Bennett: It's the easy way out to just go. Yeah, no, we're not going to. No, no.
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::Mark Bennett: you know, it's like, hey? Well, you can. You just don't want to.
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::Mark Bennett: And I understand, you know a lot of times that don't want to, because you've got so much things going on over here that you literally just want to bandwidth do it. But it's doable. You just don't want to commit any time and energy and effort to make it happen
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::Jeremy Van Wert: and tell me you're you're you're you're totally right about that. It's about
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::Jeremy Van Wert: the gumption to actually make something real. Make it possible. You see the opportunities that are there. Nobody's doing it. You fill the space in the market for that, and you start being successful. There's also this other thing that we haven't really touched on, because you've had such a
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::Jeremy Van Wert: such an impact in your career on
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::Jeremy Van Wert: big names and small names, and to do that, to do a performance to do the work that you have done through a period of time. It takes a mastermind coalition, and that is, that's the band that's the support people. That's the office people that's the whole team working together to make
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::Jeremy Van Wert: prints. Pink, shine down, stained, actually function and go on the road. And you had talked earlier on about how they look for somebody with a certain kind of mindset. And that's the person who can get along isn't gonna cause problems, isn't it? Some of these substance abuse issues isn't going to get in the way. And these sorts of things, because these traveling ecosystems rely heavily upon people's ability to adapt
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::Jeremy Van Wert: to think through problems, to work together. What
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::Jeremy Van Wert: are a couple of teams or a team that you have worked on through your career that you remember specifically having a wonderful mindset where it was just effortless, everything
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::Jeremy Van Wert: fell together and everybody could had a had. A let's solve this problem together. Mindset. The ego was sitting over there. And the let's get today's work done is sitting right here. What were the elements of that? Where did you experience that. And how did it impact where you go?
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::Mark Bennett: I I'll start with my very first world tour with pink
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::Mark Bennett: our our immediate department, our backline department. So the keyboard tech guitar tech drum tech
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::Mark Bennett: people who look after the musicians directly. We were a very, very tight knit unit. and we went from small theaters to playing, you know, 180,000 people.
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::Mark Bennett: we
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::Mark Bennett: in those early years
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::Mark Bennett: we're playing a lot of small venues. They were.
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::Mark Bennett: Nothing was easy. Every day was hard.
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::Mark Bennett: every day was brutal. Webster Hall, where you have to, you know summertime New York City. and you have to go up 2 flights of stairs with everything.
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::Mark Bennett: No elevator. Just sweat these.
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::Mark Bennett: and you're there with the local crew, and you're carrying up every single piece of gear, the consoles, the amps, the
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::Mark Bennett: everything. Everything's gotta get carried up 2 flights of stairs to get to the venue, and then you gotta ramp everything up to get it up on the stage
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::Mark Bennett: to, hey, we have a we're in Boston today, and we're gonna record something for the Nfl. And so we're switching to recording studio mode with a bunch of tour stuff. So now we have to amp the entire semi truck in this parking lot to get to the musical gear and set up for a recording session.
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::Mark Bennett: And it's like this is completely out of the norm. But let's just figure it out.
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::Mark Bennett: And one way or the other. The show is always going to go on whether you're there or not. The show's gonna happen. Somebody's gonna figure out a way to make whatever it is happen.
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::Mark Bennett: And those early years with Pink, that crew that we had. you know, we would dissect every problem that we ran into as a team.
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::Mark Bennett: There was no well, screw you. It's your problem. not my problem. It was an hour problem. and that was really impactful. I don't always necessarily necessarily experience that on every tour.
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::Mark Bennett: Sometimes it's very. You're just out there by yourself.
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::Mark Bennett: and you're just dealing with your thing by yourself. Sometimes you might have one other person who's on that same wavelength as you. And it's like, All right, cool. Well, it's 2 of us versus problems.
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::Mark Bennett: But that first one was was what really set my tone.
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::Mark Bennett: because that was my first experience into the ministry. I mean, we would sit there. It's like. All right, we're in production rehearsals in East France. and we gotta figure out how to get all of our gear
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::Mark Bennett: to fit within certain amount of square footage in a truck. and so we sat there as a team and taped it out on the floor. And all right, let's get all of our cases together, and start stacking and flipping and playing tetris.
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::Mark Bennett: and see if we can fit it within this space. And we work together. And we, you know, alright cool. We got it down, wrote it all down, and you know we were. Our truck was
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::Mark Bennett: gone, driving away in 20 min after the show.
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::Mark Bennett: You know the campsite that I'm in right this very second, this group of people that I'm working with
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::Mark Bennett: same mindset, same mentality of how can you know who's having a problem, who needs help, who has experience to help try to solve that problem?
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::Mark Bennett: And
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::Mark Bennett: how can we perform better to get out of the way quicker, because we're in an opening position. We have 15 min
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::Mark Bennett: to get all of our stuff out of the way.
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::Mark Bennett: So the next band has 15 full minutes to get all of their stuff set up before they can start their show. And right now we've got it where all of our stuff is off the stage anywhere between 4 to 7 min.
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::Mark Bennett: and our trucks are packed within about
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::Mark Bennett: 12 min. 15 min. Our doors are closed on our trucks.
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::Mark Bennett: because we sit down and solve problems together and and figure out like, all right, cool. If we do this first and then hold that, and then then we can do this
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::Mark Bennett: will be faster will be better. How can we work, you know? And and hey, there's no room backstage today. All right, we're gonna do things completely different, because
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::Mark Bennett: we just don't have the space. So
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::Mark Bennett: XY and Z. But we talk about it. We have a plan coming into the morning, and the morning's plan benefits loading the trucks at the end of the night. And so we talk about things. We work through it all.
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::Mark Bennett: I've been on some, some teams or some crews where it's you just there by yourself.
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::Mark Bennett: And those are really, really difficult. They're really really hard. When I first started working for corn. It was kind of that environment where it's just like you're there packing a truck by yourself.
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::Mark Bennett: And it's it's really hard. But when you have a really great team like I said that first pink crew.
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::Mark Bennett: We were so tight, and it was such a pleasurable experience working along those people working alongside with those guys?
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::Jeremy Van Wert: You have you have
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::Jeremy Van Wert: had some experiences, and you know, would be be careful with names here. Obviously that have been really tough.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: and these really tough experiences all seem to revolve around. How an ego, even a single one, affects
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::Jeremy Van Wert: the room.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: and how the energy from that specific ego can affect a whole team, instilling fear, instilling shame.
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::Jeremy Van Wert: and heightening the level of stress. That's in the room
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::Jeremy Van Wert: with an already difficult set of tasks to do? What has been your experience there with
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::Jeremy Van Wert: that sort of thing? And how do you work to avoid that now?
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::Mark Bennett: I've been very fortunate that I would say every single drummer I've worked with have been exceptional.
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::Mark Bennett: have been the nicest, kindest, most down to earth. I've been very, very fortunate there I have one bad apple that I worked with. and right from day one
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::Mark Bennett: it was a hostile work environment day one.
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::Mark Bennett: and it was a great crew. It was a fantastic crew of people.
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::Mark Bennett: Even the artist himself. We're we're wonderful to work with.
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::Mark Bennett: But that one person I mean his very first interaction with me was, I was changing this Neardrim head.
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::Mark Bennett: and when I'm changing a lot of drum heads I will use a drill.
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::Mark Bennett: But I'm very careful when you know when you use a drill, because you can damage this. But having built drums myself in the past and have having cut varying edges and hammered out shells that were dented round like I understand what's going on, and
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::Mark Bennett: but I'm very careful when I use a drone. This guy came in
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::Mark Bennett: and saw me changing the drum head, using a drill, and started screaming at me from across the room. All the way up into my face.
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::Mark Bennett: you know, just
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::Mark Bennett: I was so taken back. I'm like, I really hey can't believe you're addressing me this way.
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::Mark Bennett: like I would never speak to you this way. You don't get to speak to me this way. Period
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::Mark Bennett: like that's it like this is unacceptable.
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::Mark Bennett: And it was at that point right there.
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::Mark Bennett: That you know I was like. Hey, whatever that's fine!
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::Mark Bennett: And his his ego and attitude continued to be at that level.
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::Mark Bennett: and within like a day or 2 of being rehearsals I got called. I actually got called by Sheila E.
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::Mark Bennett: To go work for her, and I had worked with her before when I worked with Prince she'd come out and Guestbot and play a couple of songs, and I would take care of all of her equipment when I was on pencil. So when she called, I was like, you know, what
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::Mark Bennett: absolutely went into production office and said, Listen. I'm going to do this first Us. Leg. But I'm done. After that. I'm I'm not going to be in this environment anymore, because this
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::Mark Bennett: is not acceptable. You don't speak to me this way. You don't act like this, and I'm not doing so, despite me, loving that crew and the rest of the band members and everything like the person I directly report to and work with was hostile. And I was like, II don't want this, and I'm not going to do this.
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::Mark Bennett: And funny enough that person has had similar responses with other bands and organizations he's been in because I've had friends in those campsites who report back the same sort of behavior.
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::Mark Bennett: And
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::Mark Bennett: you know, I've been very fortunate, but that was my only one ever literally, everywhere else has been incredible. I've been very fortunate, very lucky. But I just I won't tolerate
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::Mark Bennett: that behavior like if you expect a certain level of professionalism out of me. I expect it out of you. You don't no disrespect this way, no disrespect that way.
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::Mark Bennett: and I just will leave. I you know I don't need this. I'm not gonna put myself through this for financial gain.
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::Mark Bennett: because my mental health is more important than money in the bank account cause. If I'm not here, then I can't make money and continue to pay bills.
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::Mark Bennett: So, taking care of myself is the main priority and being in a in a environment that is
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::Mark Bennett: beneficial
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::Mark Bennett: and supports this part of it is is the main thing. So. But that was that was my one bad apple. And yeah, II like, I said I did that first part of the tour, and then, soon as they went to Europe, I went to go work for Sheila E. And had a absolute, delightful time working with it.
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::Mark Bennett: Oh, and you're frozen.
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::Mark Bennett: are you? There?
